5.1 brought some new life to a few unfinished theories and the pieces fit together surprisingly well. From the Primordial One and the Abyss to the Traveler potentially losing to a “beast of the pit”, if I’m on the right track, the end of Natlan could be even crazier than I expected.
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Timestamps:
00:00 – 00:30 – Intro
00:30 – 03:05 – The Primordial One
03:05 – 09:25 – Genesis Pearls & Crystal Spheres
09:25 – 11:18 – Aether and Lumine
11:18 – 14:01 – The Abyss
14:01 – 20:33 – The Traveler’s Death (& some Capitano stuff ’cause I can’t help myself)
20:33 – 21:10 – Thanks for watching
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23 Comments
Thiz reminds me of vera melancholy, weird
I somehow completely forgot that Celstia is based on Deep Blue on the chess board in Lazzo trailer when reading the KFC wings lore. I do wonder, though, how would AI have created shades of itself, especially if those shades have emotions. I guess one possibility, if it saved the data about the original world, that it recreated 4 important people from that world.
Speaking of, i really like the idea about PO and Travelers originally coming from the same destroyed world, as i never really bought the idea of Travleers being from Teyvat itself. Now, if current Teyvat is modeled after their destroyed planet, i find it more plausible. It's still a question, though, on how they're so adaptable to Teyvat elements and stuff, as those seem to have been made from stuff that originated from Teyvat (Phlogiston/Primal fire, Primordial Sea etc.)
I like your theory but time for my wacky tangental theory: The inteyvat flowers stop growing when outside of their normal place, much like the abyss invaders in sumeru are sealed.(and only freed by kharvena light). If you believe that "teyvat" is a program then it's just code thats no longer executing in that zone (which also explains what forbidden knowledge is – code in a different language- so cant be comprehended by teyvat natives). The cataclysm curse would then be code that stops the normal data transfer upon death of entites. (the erosion code (entropy) still runs though breaking everything slowly down into energy)
I think you are partially right. But instead of Nibelung finding forbidden knowledge from a random world I think he came to Lumines world, and it explains the connection the siblings have with hte dragons and why they became a star within Teyvat I think this truth has been staring us in the face for quite some time. Since Lumines power is to great for anyone in Teyvat to comprehend the Abyss was formed because Irminsul could not use the data instead the Abyss hacked Irminsul as it is rooted to the tree itself sort of like a virus. The sinful act of disturbing Heaven turned Teyvat into a version of Hell were people relive there past lives due to the nature of how Irminsul functions it can basically transform anything according to the belief of it's people. This explains why the siblings mimics the sovereigns powers, and it also explains why they have the connection to the statues as they are powered with the sovereigns powers. This probably also means that gods were once humans only through time they were percieved as something else, and therefore became something else because of how Irminsul operates. This includes entities like the Night Mother Orobashi etc. I still believe Abyss is connected to the siblings home planet because of a couple of reasons the Abyss has stored the memory of the garden of flowers that Lumine dreams of. This is impossible unless that memory was stored there by something and it also tracks why they call her Princess of the Abyss Khaenri'ah is probably Lumines kingdom but something was done to intertwine the fate of Nibelung with Lumine. This is essentially what the Battlepass cutscene tries to illustrate the moment Nibelungs pearl was intertwined with Lumine depicted with the snake with one red eye. So when Nibelungs pearl was stolen by Dainsleif is my number one suspect so was Lumines will/Descender powers I still think Dainsleif and Lumine are from the same planet. I think Dain was a casualty of the Descender war and switched side it's very hard to speculate why I'm not sure he even knows. But I do think it is very likely that Dainsleif is responsible. But you also have other suspects in the game Princess Fischl for instance the real princess not Amy, was she Lumines mother?
You could go so far to say that the dragon sovereigns are the manifestation of will by the siblings as they were "created" the moment a Descenders will was stolen. This tracks with the sibling wanting to liberate the dragons and crush the thrones that the archons sit on. When Lumine was weakened khaenri'ahns corrupted by the will of the Abyss, this is the allegory of the dwarf digging to deep. made Gnosis of her body's remains that is what she means with never ending war against fate because she cannot leave but she also cannot change the trajectory of her journey only her sibling can. She knows that this world is trying to make her the villain as it is programmed to do so but she is very careful to not say to much to make him turn against her. She is terrified that Irminsul is going to erase the memory of his name and her so she always calls him by name when they meet a neat little detail. However this is not something Irminsul can do yet, as long as the sibling has his Descender powers I kind of think that is about to change very soon.
If Irminsul is a system that recorded the original worlds humans to create them again, it would explain how it can change everyones memories who are from Teyvat, but not outsiders.
the more I think about who the primordial one is and what lies beyond the false sky
I always think back to the quantum computer on Mars in Honkai
and one of the preventions against the Honkai, the capsule that contained the DNA of everything on earth that lost contact and disappeared into space
I wonder if the Shades would Answer to the MC and treat them as if They were the Heavenly Principles themselves? Assuming the Successor Hypothesis is Correct…
I don't think even the devs are cooking as hard as you
Minus the HI3 stuff which won't be true because Genshin isn't related to HI, this theory was first formulated a little less than 3 years ago back in version 2.4 when Enkanomiya came out. The stuff in Before Sun and Moon, plus the PS5 items plus the reference to the destruction of humans in "A Drunkard's Tale" suggested the story. The implications of the Cosmic Colonel Saunders changes little about it but there's some issues:
(1) from the Cosmic KFC the implication is that there's only one Ark ship and it's unintentionally an Ark ship. In reality there must have been many intentional Ark ships based on the report the Twins have of travelling from world to world visiting human colony planets and the Gnostic Chorus' statement that sending out the heirs (PO=first heir, Twins=2nd) by the ruler of the primordial human home world (before it was destroyed) was an intentional order and therefore the PO and Twins have a mission of sorts and aren't just wandering around aimlessly as the formatted-for-Klee version of the story has it. For that matter I doubt there's really a Cosmic Colonel with his trusty shotgun, but as a story to explain things to a young Klee? In the same manner as the 1st KFC wings? Sure.
(2) the question about whether the Abyss / 2nd Descender is known to humanity before it shows up at Teyvat. The KFC wings suggest it's a random "demon" that eats worlds, with no prior links to the humans. Other sources weakly suggest that the Twins have dealt with this or similar demons before. For example the Sibling becomes Khaenri'ah's expert on the Abyss so quickly. For example the Traveler appears to fear the Abyss and know about what it looks like while never having been to the Abyss while journeying in Teyvat. For example we may have more than one demon in Teyvat. The world devouring narwhal and the entity under the Chasm Nail sound a lot like the Abyss when seen as cosmic demons.
But I think these are minor contradictions.
I don't think the Genesis Pearl is some huge bubble around the planetary system. We know little about the Gensis Pearl but what we do know is someone's looking for it. Well it's hard to lose an object that's of the order of an astronomical unit in size.
Good theory video. If the traveler gonna die paimon gonna cry and most of all she gonna show her true form.
The idea that the Abyss is somehow the entire universe or something seems unlikely. For one thing it would make it harder to explain Nibelung's rash action of bringing the Abyss to Teyvat. While it seems pretty bone headed to bring back one demon, of limited scale and scope and power, the idea that you'd bring in an unbeatable cosmic force of destruction to serve up a personal grudge knowing it would utterly destroy all you had ever loved or known…. that seems more dumb on Nibleung's part than I'm prepared to credit.
The Khaenri'ahn note left in Sumeru says "the gods are untrustworthy and the demons ineffable". So it seems that in Khaenri'ah over 500 years ago they knew of not just one demon, the Abyss that is, but several. As I said below, the All Devouring Narwhal sounds a lot like the way the Abyss is described as a world eating demon in the new KFC wings. And the entity below the Chasm Nail also shares many criteria with the Abyss and yet we know it is not the Abyss since 500 years ago it happily ate many Abyssal monsters and accidentally saved Liyue. Since there appear to be several demons and the Abyss is one of them, I don't think the abyss can be some sort of cosmic invariable law. It's just a dude buying some chicken wings. Just as the Primordial One is not some cosmic god of <whatever> either, but just an artificial god created by humans before their civilization fell.
We might also die because our sibling is recorded by Irminsul (so they likely died, too). And they said we have to walk their path in order to understand why they sided with the Abyss…
We could die while fighting on Mauvika's side…
And I think, Capitano might becomes the next Pyro Archon… then he could die eventually, plus his dead comrades can enter the night kingdom. And he would get the gnosis.
But… he is cryo. I don't know if he could be the archon of pyro like that…
About Jesus, we could be likened to him, as in Gnosticism, one interpretation is,, that Jesus was a human who reached enlightment through gnosis. Kinda what we do…
On the other hand our Demon name is likely Lucifer, the Morningstar (as Phosphorus) and our sibling is the Eveningstar (- Hesperus, who brings liberation through death).
Btw, in revelation of John Jesus calls himself the bright morning star…
How we would get the pyro abilities like that I do not know… but… if we become the pyro archon, how will Capitano get the gnosis?
Also, Capitano doesn't tell his actual name, either. Not just the Ancient name is a secret. We, however, told our name to Paimon… maybe that doesn't count…
I’ve always had the theory that lumine and aether and the primordial one were from the same planet, and HE was THEIR FATHER lol 💀💀 I have my proof (ofc i forgot it)
11:53 Urm, akshually 🤓☝️
The increase of entropy is not the same as "order→chaos", but "less possible states of configuration →more possible states of configuration".
Higher entropy is closer to how spread out a system's energy is, thus allowing the system to have more ways to "branch out", compared to a low entropy system, which has its energy more condensed, leaving it fewer ways to "branch out", and high entropy systems can assemble themselves in ways that our brain recognises as order, because "order" and "disorder" have nothing to do with entropy to begin with. The Action Lab channel has good videos on the topic if you're interested!
Also, about the Primordial One, the people of Byakuyakoku (Enkanomiya) thought they were being ignored by the PO. They fell during the War of the Second Throne of the Heavens, so they have zero idea of what happened with the Primordial One. But they wrote that (and I'm writing from memory) "The Primordial One loved humanity above all of its creations, and it could only hate humanity if they broke their Covenant and comitted Sin, but the path to Sin was sealed long ago". So I doubt the Primordial One decided to forgo of humanity; instead, it was replaced by the Second Throne of The Heavens, who did not care about humanity, but did see their potential to gather power through the use and refinement of Elemental Energy. “The creator has not yet come”, after all.
15:13 Also, this sorta reminds me of AoT, and how the Vow of Peace could overpower and subdue any desire of retaliation or freedom any of Eldians with royal blood who inherited the Founding Titan felt, and how it took taking the Founding Titan away from the Fritz to finally unleash the whole power the Titan had. Not saying anything BUT… The Traveler is as far removed from Archonhood as Eren is from Royalty, soooooo…….And Eren did kinda died before being able to take full control of the Founding Titan 👀
The moon's origin and finality.
you are amazingly close with P.O as AI theory because paimoon also AI or module derived part of P.O. my english pls dont mind~
I have had the idea that the Primordial One was the AI of the ship called the Primordials One (meaning their could be a fleet of Primordial Two, Three.. ect).
And the 4 shades were the original crew. The egg shell is the ship's body repurpassed around Teyvat.
Another theory similar to yours about the oearl of genesis, is that it might be a Honkai Gem that serves as an anchor of Teyvat to the Sea of Quanta, preventing the world from dissapearing, that is already shown on Honkai years ago with Bianka's Dea Anchora, and Seele's Herrscher of Rebirth last year on Part 1.5
their names give it away too. Aether=Plasma Lumine=Light
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Everytime we wish we add abysmal corruption to Teyvat
I would love to play as an evil flaming knight sounds sick. Like the dark knight trope in medieval or Baldurs gate basically. No honor just raw power and strength.
What if Phanes finally wakes up after the traveler dies. That would be sick and the world started shaking all over Teyvat just like when Jesus died and the world was shaking and people realized something is wrong that would be so cool.